Interesting that It was not Dugin who was wrong in his assessment of what Trump might have been. Trump simply could not live up to Dugin's positivist expectations.
TBH Iranian Persians as literal Aryans are archetypal whites. And they certainly take less shit from Jews than most Americans or Europeans. And yes I am an American white dude, but I also call them as I see them.
I was wondering if 'no True White' was coming out of this.
The competition of 'good white' applies to MY people and 'bad white' applies to YOUR people is completely absurd.
The category itself is completely absurd and is designed to cause specifically this sort of nonsensical collapse, under which the politically vulnerable will bear the brunt, and a political-first regime of reality will establish itself under the example of what happens to them.
The issue, I propose, is less a pure category error and more reckless shorthand. Dugin’s tweet collapses three distinct categories into one: Race (a biological or quasi-biological category); Civilization (a historical-cultural formation), and Ideology or spiritual condition (nihilism, liberalism, etc.). That’s the categorical mistake.
We should redirect the critique toward Faustian civilization in its late "Winter" phase. This analysis is much closer to the tradition Dugin himself draws from.
Winter phases are characterized by rationalism overtaking spirituality; megalopolitan mass society; exhaustion of creative forms, and a drift toward technics and abstraction. None of that is racial. It’s morphological and temporal.
Dugin may be using “white” polemically, not literally. Even so, it's a loaded term like Jew out here in the wilds of the West. To insist upon precision, the real target isn’t even “the West” in some vague sense, but a specific late-modern configuration of it.
This lily deserves guilding. A philosophy of multipolar civilizations depends on the vitality and particularity of each node. To dismiss one as metaphysically exhausted undermines the entire edifice.
Not enough Westerners understand Spengler, Yockey or the general Russian mentality. This shortcoming, distrust and oversight is deeply saddening to me. Thank you for your nuanced-yet-succinct comment. It surprises me that readers are unable to unpack what Dugin is actually saying here. I suppose arrogance and denial are a pair of rose-tinted glasses that Westerners (particularly Europeans) love wearing.
You're spot on about European dunderheads. We Americans are insufficiently educated. I've written about Holy Rus, Russia as katechon, and was a big fan of Darya Dugina. I'm convinced that was a MI6-directed assassination, but am unable to comprehend the motive other than to hurt Dugin or that the bomb was intended for him. Thanks for your comment, Alexander!
Russian's are 'white' - European in any way we would recognise. Are Canonically Western, where between Germany and Russia, were the 2x dominant cultural powerhouses until Materialist Politics destroyed both through Capital and Central Banks.
Then, 'white' as far as I can tell, is a far-downstream, materialist attempt to form up a Hutu v Tutsi moment against a scapegoat.
To work towards a moment of global bloodlust as a violent, malicious intimidation against Christians, Europe, Europeans and the anglosphere, but no less, anybody who can successfully fall under it as a political intimidation under which they are destroyed - indeed to destroy with extreme violence.
It's created and developed by many Zionists, and Leftists, as a scapegoat -> the existence of and development of such a scapegoat is required for the creation of Non-Christian Civilisation.
It is a pre-Christian, Caananite, Carthaginian, and an essentially Pre-Roman Empire construction as well.
Through the domination of the scapegoat, the in-group is created on an extractive, parasitic power ritual of domination.
Then for the guy developing Russia as the Katechon, to directly call into a foreign, non-Russian conspiracy of Globalist Power, in an ANTI-CHRIST RITUAL.
It's not reckless if it’s true. Dugin is referring to the white-male supremacists, so-called Christian nationalists, willfully ignorant white voters and their lackey politicans, billionaire American Zionists and other grifters who support the corrupt, criminal Trump regime. What can you call those who revel in genocide and other crimes against humanity for their own personal gain, i.e. wealth and power, but nihilist?
It's not Jews but Zionists and not all Caucasian men but those that identify themselves as "white." A category that was created in the 19th Century to foster their white-male supremacist racial ideology.
Oh fuck off with that tired shit. Jews brought their evil greedy usury rent seeking greed culture to the west. German pagans and druids didn’t participate in this bullshit before Jew usury culture ruined the west.
LOL, no, Dugin understands the importance of ALL people maintaining their cultural traditions. He doesn’t hate white culture like you do. Now die in a tire fire commie.
Force-fitting that into a way where it makes sense to intuit benevolence is insane work though.
The people this ought to apply to, are the ones who created it. As a Power mechanism, and a scapegoating with which to avoid their own responsibility for their own crimes, against a politically vulnerable population.
Dugin does not think that his heritage is thoroughly European, at least not in a sense that would include "white people," a thoroughly Germanic and French concept created during colonialism.
It's childish to suggest that the way this concept 'white' would be used, is some definable thing.
Right now, today, somebody will be assaulted, raped or murdered using a domination ritual on top of this 'white' concept, across the whole world, and without any knowledge or any Germanic or French intention.
Most people in the world barely have a concept of this "white" thing, and don't care much about "white" people at all. And this issue is irrrelevant as to whether or not Dugin thinks that his heritage is connected with this concept, which in Russia barely exists and nobody talks about. I have lived in Russia 26 years and not once has anybody talked about white people.
People have to get out of the house. The world does not revolve around colonial ethnic classification systems, much less ones that in the modern form evolved around the demands of US census categories.
It's hard to really understand what your point is, it's almost gaslighting.
The context isn't what you would wish it was in your dearest fantasy, the context is the concept he invoked in his statement.
If your point is that the use of this political concept is underdeveloped and he can't really understand what he's saying - because Russians are sheltered from what it is and how it's used; then make that point; but you are doing this bizarre tangential apology that would end up trying to pretend a parallel reality exists where nothing happened and this whole thread and article doesn't exist.
Iryna Zarutska, a Ukrainian girl in USA was murdered for being 'white' on public transport, as a result of the development of this prejudicial political article, and there are crimes every day against people around the world on its basis.
The statement in this article is that Dugin is of European heritage. However, Dugin does not consider himself to be of European heritage. He considers Anglos to be pretty much literal Antichrist. (Guenon being mentioned is also a little strange, since Guenon's opinion of Europe is very, very low and he basically considers it to be the source of all evil,)
A Ukrainian woman was killed in the United States for being white. Yes, in the United States, where the concept does exist and is very important, because Americans are obsessed with this stuff. Dugin does not live in the United States. He lives in Russia, where the concept barely exists.
Only the ones referred to in this essay, in which he goes off about the evils of white people. Which is fully in keeping with what he writes in his books, if you replace "white people" (a term he only uses when discussing Western racism) with "Western Europeans." I am not on X and don't follow him outside of the context of reading his books, so if he has said something else there, I would not know.
Dugin's point (which is true) is that "Whites" in the West abandoned the belief system which made them a great civilization. And that abandonment is their fault. In my own life time (I'm an American in my eighties), I have seen whites falling all over themselves with guilt: for slavery, for discrimination against Blacks [whether they were guilty of it or not], for being financially well off, for crimes committed by the "lower classes" [my criminal law professor said that crime is caused by conditions of poverty & social injustice], etc. In short, any advantage is unfair and should be addressed by special favors to those without the advantage. And Whites can not escape their guilt: White liberal women go to Criticism sessions where they are shown that they are secret racists.
Americans abandoned Transcendent Principles. They believe whatever everyone else believes - they float with the tide. I had a family member (a generation ahead of me), who believed that some things were right and other things were wrong. But by the end of her life, she had accepted the then widespread view that morality was nothing more than a matter of personal opinion.
That's what the "white" people of America did. They lacked the Courage to stand up and defend the Transcendent Principles which made America great.
First off, Dugin is a philosopher, his words are open to different interpretations.
I read it as a warning to white people to get back on track before it's too late. A classic "change or perish."
Also, when he criticized Trump as being trapped by deeper powers, drifting from core principles, and insufficiently realist on issues like Ukraine, it wasn't criticism—it was the truth many aren't willing to admit.
In the end, this post feels less like a refined thesis and more like a philosopher’s moment of despair , understandable in dark times, but unworthy of his stature. >> From the start, ungrammaticality and misspellings included, it sounds most like a moment of drunken despair that resonates with a plethora of videos from Europe, but the UK especially, showing wanton self-abnegation and subservience to immigrant invaders in the name of some undefined abstract globalist vision of a new humanity. I sympathize with all of it—Dugin is looking for an Archimedian lever and a place to stand to put things (civilizational values and achievements) back into place but cannot find them.
I think you're misreading what Dugin wrote and only towards the end scratch the surface.
"Whites?"
It's a broad category, it includes all European natives and many Americans. It's a faux-racist category, but it's still a category, in so far as blacks in the USA have something in common with blacks in Africa. This category framing completely disregards religion. In this reading, Israel is white.
"They are destroyed the world and themselves."
Europeans and the USA have conquered and dominated over virtually the entire world over the past 5 centuries. They have butchered and bloodied the soil amongst themselves and of others in the hundreds of millions if not over a billion.
"To be white means to be nihilist. It is self hatred race."
God is dead, long live God.
"It caused so meany troubles to others and to itself."
How much human suffering must occur because of ignorance?
"It lost the right to be something."
Had your chance when you were King, failed, now perhaps someone else should take a crack at it.
"No arguments to support their existence."
Humility.
I think what you wrote at the end is partially correct, can the Whites rediscover themselves, but not to reproduce old schema that have led to the present rotten condition, but perhaps to aspire to something better, virtuous, in harmony with God and existence.
I am not often in agreement with a lot of Dugin says as it is often too polemical and rooted in assumptions I think are questionable. However , in this case, I agree with what he says. It is not polemical, it is gut instinct, and it is correct.
Irrespective of what white people may or may not have achieved as a civilisation in the past, a civilisation rooted in the Christian tradition, modern whites(European, US, Canadian, Australian etc) are the most degenerate people on the earth and every modern abomination has originated amongst them , almost without exception. I say this as a white person.
We are a disgrace , lacking any real human (i.e transcendent) values, demonstrated most tellingly by the destruction of the family unit, the basis of any civilisation . We are currently being flushed into the sewers of history and deserve to be.
Possibly the only remaining bastion of white civilisation is Russia, which despite 70 years of communist degeneracy, still clings to it’s Orthodox tradition, and so may survive.
This term does not apply to the people you are describing, in those cases.
This term, was CREATED by and is EXCLUSIVELY USED BY, the people you are describing, AGAINST OTHER PEOPLE TO WHOM IT SHOULD NEVER APPLY, given your definitions.
It is a complete inversion of reality, that Dugin is now participating in.
Writing comments with CAPITALS adds nothing to your argument, it’s the written equivalent of shouting and is only used by morons, which seems to be the case here.
You evidently you think shouting at historical events , during which you happen to exist, has some effect on said events.
Sounds more like Dugin was just having a bad day.
Interesting that It was not Dugin who was wrong in his assessment of what Trump might have been. Trump simply could not live up to Dugin's positivist expectations.
Many such cases.
I wrote an essay two years ago asking whether MAGA would keep it's America First roots or be captured by Jew neo-cons, we know now, eh?
He just made a post saying Indians, Iranians, and "Evolians" are the real Whites... lol.
TBH Iranian Persians as literal Aryans are archetypal whites. And they certainly take less shit from Jews than most Americans or Europeans. And yes I am an American white dude, but I also call them as I see them.
I was wondering if 'no True White' was coming out of this.
The competition of 'good white' applies to MY people and 'bad white' applies to YOUR people is completely absurd.
The category itself is completely absurd and is designed to cause specifically this sort of nonsensical collapse, under which the politically vulnerable will bear the brunt, and a political-first regime of reality will establish itself under the example of what happens to them.
How about this as a working title: "The West - A state of Psychopathy or, a Psychopathic State?"
I gift that to anyone who cares to flesh it out and essay it.
The issue, I propose, is less a pure category error and more reckless shorthand. Dugin’s tweet collapses three distinct categories into one: Race (a biological or quasi-biological category); Civilization (a historical-cultural formation), and Ideology or spiritual condition (nihilism, liberalism, etc.). That’s the categorical mistake.
We should redirect the critique toward Faustian civilization in its late "Winter" phase. This analysis is much closer to the tradition Dugin himself draws from.
Winter phases are characterized by rationalism overtaking spirituality; megalopolitan mass society; exhaustion of creative forms, and a drift toward technics and abstraction. None of that is racial. It’s morphological and temporal.
Dugin may be using “white” polemically, not literally. Even so, it's a loaded term like Jew out here in the wilds of the West. To insist upon precision, the real target isn’t even “the West” in some vague sense, but a specific late-modern configuration of it.
This lily deserves guilding. A philosophy of multipolar civilizations depends on the vitality and particularity of each node. To dismiss one as metaphysically exhausted undermines the entire edifice.
Not enough Westerners understand Spengler, Yockey or the general Russian mentality. This shortcoming, distrust and oversight is deeply saddening to me. Thank you for your nuanced-yet-succinct comment. It surprises me that readers are unable to unpack what Dugin is actually saying here. I suppose arrogance and denial are a pair of rose-tinted glasses that Westerners (particularly Europeans) love wearing.
You're spot on about European dunderheads. We Americans are insufficiently educated. I've written about Holy Rus, Russia as katechon, and was a big fan of Darya Dugina. I'm convinced that was a MI6-directed assassination, but am unable to comprehend the motive other than to hurt Dugin or that the bomb was intended for him. Thanks for your comment, Alexander!
This is an extremely bizarre outburst.
Russian's are 'white' - European in any way we would recognise. Are Canonically Western, where between Germany and Russia, were the 2x dominant cultural powerhouses until Materialist Politics destroyed both through Capital and Central Banks.
Then, 'white' as far as I can tell, is a far-downstream, materialist attempt to form up a Hutu v Tutsi moment against a scapegoat.
To work towards a moment of global bloodlust as a violent, malicious intimidation against Christians, Europe, Europeans and the anglosphere, but no less, anybody who can successfully fall under it as a political intimidation under which they are destroyed - indeed to destroy with extreme violence.
It's created and developed by many Zionists, and Leftists, as a scapegoat -> the existence of and development of such a scapegoat is required for the creation of Non-Christian Civilisation.
It is a pre-Christian, Caananite, Carthaginian, and an essentially Pre-Roman Empire construction as well.
Through the domination of the scapegoat, the in-group is created on an extractive, parasitic power ritual of domination.
Then for the guy developing Russia as the Katechon, to directly call into a foreign, non-Russian conspiracy of Globalist Power, in an ANTI-CHRIST RITUAL.
That's crazy.
It's not reckless if it’s true. Dugin is referring to the white-male supremacists, so-called Christian nationalists, willfully ignorant white voters and their lackey politicans, billionaire American Zionists and other grifters who support the corrupt, criminal Trump regime. What can you call those who revel in genocide and other crimes against humanity for their own personal gain, i.e. wealth and power, but nihilist?
2023 called, they want their "white male supremacist" rhetoric back. Stop blaming white men for Jew crimes.
It's not Jews but Zionists and not all Caucasian men but those that identify themselves as "white." A category that was created in the 19th Century to foster their white-male supremacist racial ideology.
Oh fuck off with that tired shit. Jews brought their evil greedy usury rent seeking greed culture to the west. German pagans and druids didn’t participate in this bullshit before Jew usury culture ruined the west.
You sound just like the kind of guy Alexander Dugin was referring to.
LOL, no, Dugin understands the importance of ALL people maintaining their cultural traditions. He doesn’t hate white culture like you do. Now die in a tire fire commie.
quod erat demonstrandum
Force-fitting that into a way where it makes sense to intuit benevolence is insane work though.
The people this ought to apply to, are the ones who created it. As a Power mechanism, and a scapegoating with which to avoid their own responsibility for their own crimes, against a politically vulnerable population.
Dugin does not think that his heritage is thoroughly European, at least not in a sense that would include "white people," a thoroughly Germanic and French concept created during colonialism.
It's childish to suggest that the way this concept 'white' would be used, is some definable thing.
Right now, today, somebody will be assaulted, raped or murdered using a domination ritual on top of this 'white' concept, across the whole world, and without any knowledge or any Germanic or French intention.
Most people in the world barely have a concept of this "white" thing, and don't care much about "white" people at all. And this issue is irrrelevant as to whether or not Dugin thinks that his heritage is connected with this concept, which in Russia barely exists and nobody talks about. I have lived in Russia 26 years and not once has anybody talked about white people.
People have to get out of the house. The world does not revolve around colonial ethnic classification systems, much less ones that in the modern form evolved around the demands of US census categories.
It's hard to really understand what your point is, it's almost gaslighting.
The context isn't what you would wish it was in your dearest fantasy, the context is the concept he invoked in his statement.
If your point is that the use of this political concept is underdeveloped and he can't really understand what he's saying - because Russians are sheltered from what it is and how it's used; then make that point; but you are doing this bizarre tangential apology that would end up trying to pretend a parallel reality exists where nothing happened and this whole thread and article doesn't exist.
Iryna Zarutska, a Ukrainian girl in USA was murdered for being 'white' on public transport, as a result of the development of this prejudicial political article, and there are crimes every day against people around the world on its basis.
The statement in this article is that Dugin is of European heritage. However, Dugin does not consider himself to be of European heritage. He considers Anglos to be pretty much literal Antichrist. (Guenon being mentioned is also a little strange, since Guenon's opinion of Europe is very, very low and he basically considers it to be the source of all evil,)
A Ukrainian woman was killed in the United States for being white. Yes, in the United States, where the concept does exist and is very important, because Americans are obsessed with this stuff. Dugin does not live in the United States. He lives in Russia, where the concept barely exists.
Are you aware of his comments on twitter/X?
Only the ones referred to in this essay, in which he goes off about the evils of white people. Which is fully in keeping with what he writes in his books, if you replace "white people" (a term he only uses when discussing Western racism) with "Western Europeans." I am not on X and don't follow him outside of the context of reading his books, so if he has said something else there, I would not know.
Sad that Russia bros have pinned hope on this drunken clown.
I find the idea of being offended by a foreign internet philosopher hilarious.
I think Callum misses Dugin's point.
Dugin's point (which is true) is that "Whites" in the West abandoned the belief system which made them a great civilization. And that abandonment is their fault. In my own life time (I'm an American in my eighties), I have seen whites falling all over themselves with guilt: for slavery, for discrimination against Blacks [whether they were guilty of it or not], for being financially well off, for crimes committed by the "lower classes" [my criminal law professor said that crime is caused by conditions of poverty & social injustice], etc. In short, any advantage is unfair and should be addressed by special favors to those without the advantage. And Whites can not escape their guilt: White liberal women go to Criticism sessions where they are shown that they are secret racists.
Americans abandoned Transcendent Principles. They believe whatever everyone else believes - they float with the tide. I had a family member (a generation ahead of me), who believed that some things were right and other things were wrong. But by the end of her life, she had accepted the then widespread view that morality was nothing more than a matter of personal opinion.
That's what the "white" people of America did. They lacked the Courage to stand up and defend the Transcendent Principles which made America great.
First off, Dugin is a philosopher, his words are open to different interpretations.
I read it as a warning to white people to get back on track before it's too late. A classic "change or perish."
Also, when he criticized Trump as being trapped by deeper powers, drifting from core principles, and insufficiently realist on issues like Ukraine, it wasn't criticism—it was the truth many aren't willing to admit.
In the end, this post feels less like a refined thesis and more like a philosopher’s moment of despair , understandable in dark times, but unworthy of his stature. >> From the start, ungrammaticality and misspellings included, it sounds most like a moment of drunken despair that resonates with a plethora of videos from Europe, but the UK especially, showing wanton self-abnegation and subservience to immigrant invaders in the name of some undefined abstract globalist vision of a new humanity. I sympathize with all of it—Dugin is looking for an Archimedian lever and a place to stand to put things (civilizational values and achievements) back into place but cannot find them.
I think you're misreading what Dugin wrote and only towards the end scratch the surface.
"Whites?"
It's a broad category, it includes all European natives and many Americans. It's a faux-racist category, but it's still a category, in so far as blacks in the USA have something in common with blacks in Africa. This category framing completely disregards religion. In this reading, Israel is white.
"They are destroyed the world and themselves."
Europeans and the USA have conquered and dominated over virtually the entire world over the past 5 centuries. They have butchered and bloodied the soil amongst themselves and of others in the hundreds of millions if not over a billion.
"To be white means to be nihilist. It is self hatred race."
God is dead, long live God.
"It caused so meany troubles to others and to itself."
How much human suffering must occur because of ignorance?
"It lost the right to be something."
Had your chance when you were King, failed, now perhaps someone else should take a crack at it.
"No arguments to support their existence."
Humility.
I think what you wrote at the end is partially correct, can the Whites rediscover themselves, but not to reproduce old schema that have led to the present rotten condition, but perhaps to aspire to something better, virtuous, in harmony with God and existence.
Race is his blind spot, it is for many unfortunately.
I am not often in agreement with a lot of Dugin says as it is often too polemical and rooted in assumptions I think are questionable. However , in this case, I agree with what he says. It is not polemical, it is gut instinct, and it is correct.
Irrespective of what white people may or may not have achieved as a civilisation in the past, a civilisation rooted in the Christian tradition, modern whites(European, US, Canadian, Australian etc) are the most degenerate people on the earth and every modern abomination has originated amongst them , almost without exception. I say this as a white person.
We are a disgrace , lacking any real human (i.e transcendent) values, demonstrated most tellingly by the destruction of the family unit, the basis of any civilisation . We are currently being flushed into the sewers of history and deserve to be.
Possibly the only remaining bastion of white civilisation is Russia, which despite 70 years of communist degeneracy, still clings to it’s Orthodox tradition, and so may survive.
“I’m learning chinese says Werner von Braun”.
That is a hopeless collapse though.
This term does not apply to the people you are describing, in those cases.
This term, was CREATED by and is EXCLUSIVELY USED BY, the people you are describing, AGAINST OTHER PEOPLE TO WHOM IT SHOULD NEVER APPLY, given your definitions.
It is a complete inversion of reality, that Dugin is now participating in.
Writing comments with CAPITALS adds nothing to your argument, it’s the written equivalent of shouting and is only used by morons, which seems to be the case here.
You evidently you think shouting at historical events , during which you happen to exist, has some effect on said events.
Good luck with that.
hahaha right. You are defeated by the most superficial imposition and then claim the high ground. Excellent.
I am afraid you are comparing incoherent. I have no idea what you think you are on about
Crass and unfounded.
Educate yourself:
https://www.rt.com/news/639581-alexander-dugin-attacking-whites/
Ditto!
Fucking idiot