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Karti Marx's avatar

I see, even in the third stage of simulacra even that which appears authentic, appears only to us as authentic illusion. Insightful.

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janoskar.hansen@gmail.com's avatar

if we, working-class people, saw a painting of the devil made by a famous painter, even if the Chinese made a thousand copies, we still refuse to hang it on our walls

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Mateo Bl's avatar

We feel shame for being working class and defend the rich ones just because working class is so stupid that doesn't dream over taking the chains of human labour, they want to have the same power capitalist have to live from others. Specially in the west almost all the working class are dick suckers of their government and their oligarchy.

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Dutch's avatar

I don’t know… How long did China enforce a one-child policy to the disastrous impact on their society?

That’s not what I would call profoundly mentally stable.

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Fen's avatar

You make a good point, but it’s a shame that your focus is solely on material goods. Let’s be honest: industrial, mechanical processes undermine authenticity in every conceivable way.

Nowadays, even an industrial farmer doesn’t truly know what’s best for his herd if he wants better taste. He has likely never killed a cow or a pig himself and has long forgotten the subtle secrets embedded in his ancestors’ recipes.

Yet he can probably still sense if someone is insincere from afar. He may even be able to predict where certain ideas are headed, despite lacking formal higher education in that domain.

My point is that authenticity shouldn’t be judged in the abstract, only to be brutally dragged down into matter. It should be appreciated in organic, lively, and rooted terms. The more you do this, the more authentic your ideas—and yourself—will become.

Why? Because, at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter if your taste is poor; what truly matters is your ability to judge people and ideas. Without that, you aren’t far removed from a kind of hell on earth.

In this regard, Western-educated Chinese often see through propaganda, and they deserve acknowledgment for that insight.

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Eric Fuleftists's avatar

Good grief, I disagree with almost every aspect of this essay. There is such a thing as creativity, which Western man has, and Chinese never had. It is not innovation. It is the Creativity of God Who created man in His own image, an aspect of God that springs from Christianity, worshiping Christ as Logos. Traditional Western Civilization is a miracle of Creativity. Just because western man has currently lost most of it in a fit of woke leftist suicide, is quite another matter.

And China? Mainland China is a fricking mess. The list of their ills is too long to even summarize here, with items that the mindless masses are totally unfamiliar with. In fact, they deliberately refuse to examine the vile rot that is China under the CCP, instead mesmerized by all its shiny Shanghai lights and trains. Whoopee!

Russia is the only moral power on the world stage today. Its alliance with China can only be temporary against the western Empire of Lies. After that, if Chinese haven't yet overthrown the CCP, then inevitably Russia must decouple from supporting China. As long as China keeps its evil contained within its own borders, then multipolarity requires Russia to respect the principle of noninterference. In all other respects, there is absolutely no reason to approve of Chinese policies. To do otherwise is a monumental sin.

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Mateo Bl's avatar

Creativity that Chinese never have. Asshole they invented even the paper that wipes your ass , your western Christian creativity is to rule and impose over native populations you don't even understand the world you live on. And then blame the left jajajajaja you then talk shit about china policies without argument of what the belligerent western do. Russia see china like their biggest Allie not like your nonsense analysis to blame china without even consider your western stupid position In the world. Jajajajajajaja jajaja you must be a old stupid fuck party of maga who doesn't even take a book of history in his whole live.

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Linden's avatar

My goodness, how eloquent and sophisticated your comment was! LOL...

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Petros Vostokian's avatar

While I agree that „Russia is the only moral power in the world today“, I must say that your statements show ineptitude in regards to Logos, history and knowledge.

No creativity in China? The list of their „ills“ is too long?

Let me remind you of one of the two possible origins of the mechanical clock thousands of years ago (long before the origins of Christianity!): the Chinese Waterclocks (with the other possible origin being Egypt).

Your „traditional Western Civilization“ is - unfortunately - more than the „miracle“ you claim it is. Other than the positive aspects that we can be proud of, „Western Civilization“ - as defined by you - also is a „miracle“ of slaughter in God‘s name, is the destruction of countless much older cultures (South America rings a bell?), is the (supposedly) Holy Inquisition (and people even managed to re-instate it it the „New World“, actually importing and implementing the very horrors they actually fled from!), is colonialism…

I do not know if you realize it, but the world we all try to live in is much more than the Word of one religion, much more than the Logos of one Deity or of one human.

There is a beautiful array of original cultures and peoples, and Multipolarity gives these unique voices their own distinctive right to be and to not be assimilated by an overzealously acting single pillar.

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Gnuneo's avatar

Philip K Dick wrote it more poetically.

https://philipdick.com/mirror/essays/How_to_Build_a_Universe.pdf

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Mateo Bl's avatar

Not agree with these remember we are in geopolitical world conflict the fight is between the Chinese labor against the west world oligarchy of facist fools. The authentication is just a capitalist narrative so you couldn't consider your self a labour class citizens. Individualism is the freedom of the facist who live from others labour.

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Deborah Hodges's avatar

Copies are a lot cheaper than originals. That's the problem; the authentic costs too much.

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